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« Reply #15 on May 2, 2005, 5:08pm »		[Quote]

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I liked Hobbiton, but I didnt like how in the film they missed out the total Scouring of the Shire, so they are, in essence making The Shire seem perfect and a place which can never be touched by evil- naďve and hidden away, which is not true- because everything can be touched by darkness and shadow.


... Yet they still remembered to show that the Hobbits themselves could be corrupted. The Ring Wraiths still made it to the Shire, though: maybe if it doesn't show that the Shire can be COMPLETELY corrupted it DOES show that Mordor can still reach it.
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... Yet they still remembered to show that the Hobbits themselves could be corrupted. The Ring Wraiths still made it to the Shire, though: maybe if it doesn't show that the Shire can be COMPLETELY corrupted it DOES show that Mordor can still reach it.


Hobbits can be corrupted, but I wasnt talking about the hobbits themselves, who are not even in the shire after a very little while. The Ring Wraiths..they got to the shire, but didnt exactly do anything, did they. Mordor seems to have reached the shire, but done nothing to it. That struck me as very odd.

However, in the Mirror of Galadriel, they do show the shire being corrupted, but they keep that as an 'alternative future', not an actual future, so that didnt exactly help matters either.
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The Ring Wraiths..they got to the shire, but didnt exactly do anything, did they. Mordor seems to have reached the shire, but done nothing to it. That struck me as very odd.


The Ringwraiths had come to the Shire for Frodo and since he wasn't there, there was no point staying. Hobbits were only important to Sauron in as much as one of them had the Ring and he must be destroyed/captured. The others were worthless.
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The Ringwraiths had come to the Shire for Frodo and since he wasn't there, there was no point staying. Hobbits were only important to Sauron in as much as one of them had the Ring and he must be destroyed/captured. The others were worthless.


Yes, and that was my point that even though Mordor 'reached' the Shire, at that point it had no effect on the Shire, really. And thats what I was saying- in the film, overall it seemed that the Shire was not affected.
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« Reply #19 on May 6, 2005, 5:13pm »		[Quote]
Oh yes, in the film. But not in the book though, which is maybe better because it shows how ultimately nowhere can escape evil...?
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Oh yes, in the film. But not in the book though, which is maybe better because it shows how ultimately nowhere can escape evil...?


Yes, that was my original point, and how it was portrayed differently, I felt, in the film, than in the book.

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« Reply #21 on Jun 16, 2005, 8:24pm »		[Quote]
Hmm, why is there no mention of Mordor [in the films, especially]. It is magnificent. It is steeped in evil, the atmosphere seems thick with malice. But there is a beauty - a warped, twisted beauty about the place. Does no one agree? The winding turrets and towers, the prisons and courts and underground chambers, shadowy and dark. Unequal and uneven, extensions added here and there. Climbing, and reaching a high peak, forbidding and mysterious, thousands of feet above. And the eye shimmering inbetween, always watching. Barad-Dur is so fascinating.

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« Reply #22 on Jun 16, 2005, 9:15pm »		[Quote]
No, I could never describe Mordor as beautiful. To me, it is the antithesis of beautiful. All of it is warped and twisted beyond recognition; there is no plant life and only orcs can survive there. True on the edge of the land were life and light still linger there is a hint of beauty, especially in the ancient Gondorian towers at Cirith Ungol and Durthang for instance. But no, no beauty elsewhere. Just evil, all-pervading and all-destroying.
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No, I could never describe Mordor as beautiful. To me, it is the antithesis of beautiful. All of it is warped and twisted beyond recognition; there is no plant life and only orcs can survive there. True on the edge of the land were life and light still linger there is a hint of beauty, especially in the ancient Gondorian towers at Cirith Ungol and Durthang for instance. But no, no beauty elsewhere. Just evil, all-pervading and all-destroying.


Yes, I was pretty much meaning where there was still a lingering of what was before. The evil consumed the place- and warped it, and nature is gone. But in its place, I feel there is a new thing- stark and glaring, twisting and malicious, dark and sinister. as you said, an antithesis of beauty- and that, I think, would be the epitome of beauty by the 'evil's. I dont know why, but when I look at it I dont see ugliness. I see a strange kind of beauty, so different to beauty of nature. This is beauty that has been manipulated, twisted beyond recognition, by living beings. [Orcs, Sauron, etc]. Maybe Im odd? I dont know. I just see a strangeness there, a coldness, that is not entirely repulsive.
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« Reply #24 on Sept 2, 2005, 3:01pm »		[Quote]
No, I see what you mean, but I think beauty is the wrong word. I mean you say it's been twisted, mainpulated, but how can that be beautiful? Perhaps interesting would be better? The fact that it can be changed beyond recognition, into some kind of hell, and yet still retain that air of fear, of horror, of evil. That fact that it can hold such a power over the Gondorians, such that they won't even speak its name, and yet be such a barren, lifeless place. But perhaps that is as much to do with Sauron as anything else.
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